216 honda D16 hot starting problem.

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E_T_V
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216 honda D16 hot starting problem.

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I've had a query from a member about his 216. I'm not a honda engine expert so perhaps some of you out there can help.

I'll pass on the replies to him.

I would be very grateful if you could give me any advice over a starting problem with my 1991 Rover 216SLi (Honda D16 series engine) which has covered 206000 miles.

In warm or hot weather, say when the temperature is above about 22°C, the car is very difficult to start from cold. Turning the ignition key to position 2 activates the electrical circuits as normal. However, the Check Engine instrument warning light will go out after a second without the usual accompanying sound of a whirr followed by a click from the main relay. On operating the starter motor the engine turns over but fails to start. On turning back the key to position 0 and then turning it again to position 2 several times, the same result happens. I do not depress the accelerator pedal at all during this process.

Eventually on turning the ignition switch to position 2 the “whirr and click” sound will be heard and on turning the key to position 3 the engine will fire but then immediately dies. After hearing the “whirr and click“ sound three or four times when turning the key to position 2 followed by the engine starting and then dying, the engine will eventually start and continue running without any further problems.

As a result of this problem starting the car in warm weather can take up to ten to fifteen minutes. On one occasion it was impossible to start at all until the outside temperature had cooled in the evening.

The problem can also occur at all other times during the year after the car has been running and is then re-started a few minutes later, eg after filling with petrol.

I have changed the main relay but this has made no difference.

Have you got any ideas?
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Post by fatboy.01 »

i had same sort of fault on a single cam'd gti hatch

i used to thump the centre consule and the car would fire up i never did sort it out

does the fuel cut of live around that area
1995 414sli (miss's hack)
1994 420 gsi tourer
1991 t16 mg maestro
1976 mgb gt(work in progress)
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Post by richard moss »

We had the same problem and it will almost certain be the main relay for the fuel injection system (PGMFI).

The relay sits at floor level, behind the centre console. It's a brown box about the size of a fag packet. There is a strong chance that some of the solder joints in there have failed and just need resoldering.

It's a dead easy job and should be feasible without removing the console - you should be able to get to it from the passenger's footwell.

The same problem afflicts the 827 and Honda never did get on top of that one, either.
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Post by E_T_V »

Is this the same part as the main relay which he says he has changed or is it a different part?
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Post by richard moss »

It's the same as the main relay - but if I second hand one was used it's just as likely to be faulty.

Resoldering is a free fix - so worth trying (well, almost free - a little lecky and a few mm of solder!)
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Post by E_T_V »

Cheers I've passed the info on and I've pointed him at this post so he can add any extra info if his car problem persists.
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